Yes, Another Car Radiator Thread--56K Warning!

Dieses Thema im Forum "Overclocking & Cooling" wurde erstellt von Naja002, 24. Mai 2009.

  1. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    After starting to get bored, I started looking for a new project--a PC cooling type of project. I was going to do the copper pipe in the crawlspace along with some other possibilities. But after reading threads about the use of car radiators--I decided to check it out for myself. My initial participation started in this thread--Post #131:

    using car radiators...why not?

    Seems that the biggest complaint that I found was--car radiators are made of aluminum. Ok, a lot of them are, but not all of them.....
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    So on with the show:

    The PC water cooling system is currently setup to cool 3 PCs (cpu & nb) running 100% cpu power crunching for WCG-cure cancer. At the moment, only 1 PC is connected to this system--the others will follow....

    On May 20, 2008 I purchased the below Car Radiator.....with a plan:


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    Add a Mag Drive 9.5 pump:


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    Next add the Famous 55gallon Blue Barrel:


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    A bit of PVC--and the plan starts coming together....
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  2. manicqin

    manicqin Guest

    6120c heating problem

    1) That specific link was the first I've noticed and I have'nt read it through so I'm sorry if I directed you to a marketing site, but they didnt "invent" the hype they just ride along with it... by the way Nokia released radiation safe headsets too...

    2( You know that one man is not a representative specimen and these types of tests should be conducted over a very long period of time...

    3) Another "hype" is that when talking through the speaker in your car the entire car turns into a so-called antenna... cool...
     
  3. ryukkl

    ryukkl Guest

    Using nokia mobile phone as a modem problem

    I want to link up two computer (running XP) throughh two modems.

    First, I set a PC that use 56k dailup modem as become a server (accept incoming connection), then connected by a PC that use nokia 6230 modem as a client and success. The 56k dailup can receive the call automatically and each PC can access the local area network
    to another.

    However, it has a problem when i try to use 56k modem to connect to 6230. it seems 6230 treat the call as a voice call and not answer to it and I must set 6230 as a server in my place.

    Then, i replaced the 56k dailup modem by a nokia 6610i and installed the lastest driver. However, the 6610i cannot dailup or receive call from 6230 except a voice call.

    Finally, i try to borrow another 6230 from my friend (two 6230) and all works fine.

    My question is:

    1. How can I set 6230 modem as a server to accept connection from 56k dailup modem automatically?

    or

    2. How can I make connection between 6230 and 6610i (they work as modems)?

    or

    3. What fuctions can make 6230 to connect to a 56k modem? (is it fax??coz i want to make sure another model i buy has this function)

    Thanks

    Derek
     
  4. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    I decided to offer each PC its own incoming water, so I figured that the easiest way to do that would be to create a manifold:

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    I decided to make the manifold for 3 PCs, but left the extra PVC space in order to add more later--if necessary.


    The manifold is installed with 1" tubing running down through the floor into a crawlspace:

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    Yes, some "wire-management" is in order....


    In the crawlspace it connects back to 1" PVC pipe:

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    I decided after-the-fact to add drains to the system at the lowest point:

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    It then runs a few feet up and into an Out-building:

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    I'll worry about covering things up later:

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    Once the radiator arrived, I had to check the fit of its new home:

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    Almost Perfect:

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  5. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    In order to prevent the use of mixed metals (copper and aluminum) I needed a copper radiator! So, I found one! (Most are made of aluminum these days).

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    For excellent cooling ability and flow--I wanted a triple core (3 rows) radiator:

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    3 rows of nice flat tubing. (Flat tubing offers much greater surface contact and much less warm flow bypass!)

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    Yeah, Baby!
     
  6. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    So,......How to connect the 1 5/16" inlet and 1 9/16" outlet to my 1" PVC? Well, here ya go--1 1/4" and 1 1/2" tubing:

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    Next, I had to figure out how to mount it in place. So, I just attached some 1"x4" pieces to the out-building frame work:

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    Cut a few notches:

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    Then screwed the radiator to the frame work via the radiator mounting holes:

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    Might work ok as it is for a Passive radiator, but I wanted more options.
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  7. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    Power Options! With summer upon us, things are warming up and with a radiator this size--a little bit of air movement will go a long way.
    So, in order to restrict air movement to only through the radiator--I needed to make a shroud and seal things up. (Please ignore the a/c filter--I didn't end up using it):

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    After all of these "projects" you can see that I still have all my toes......well, on one foot at least!
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    Shroud built, door and radiator sealed--Time to add some Power!

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    The barrel/pump plumbing above has been changed.





    On high these fans will use ~45 watts each. On medium= ~36 w, and on low= ~25w. Not bad at all for the cooling they will offer.

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    A little bit of foam insulation goes a long way.....

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    None needed on this one though--nice tight fit:

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    Next its time to finish up the plumbing and get the radiator hooked up!
     
  8. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    Plumbing to the radiator inlet:

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    Radiator outlet:

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    Man, that was E-A-S-Y!



    Now the plumbing to and from the 55 gal. barrel--has to be sealed for a closed loop:

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    The red handled ball valve is for priming the pump:



    Into the barrel from the PCs:

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    And then back out of the barrel to the pump:

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    I originally put the pump on top of the barrel. It worked that way, but made priming it a real PITA! So, I dropped it down to the floor. Now I use the ball valve to prime the pump, and once the siphon is created--gravity helps feed it.

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    Time to finish up the main plumbing!
     
  9. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    Plumbing comes out of the pump (pic above) up and over to the radiator inlet:

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    Out of the radiator outlet and down through the floor:

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    Time to fill'er up!

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    Then put on the trusty radiator cap:

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    Add the air filter to the outside:

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    Put the screen back on:

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    And she's ready to rip!

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  10. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    So, I filled it up with this hard tap water and let the system flush for a few days. Ran into a few minor problems and fixed them.
    Now, on June 2, 2008, I have a Q9450 OCed to 3.4 on a GA-G31M-S2L running 100% on Boinc and cpu temps of 46-50C (ambient outside is 30C/85F) and fans on low. I believe that the bottleneck to better temps are A) the current ambient and B) the Apogee GT and MCW30 water blocks.

    No Problem for me though.....I will be more than happy crunching at those temps and removing all that heat--OUT--of this room. The cost savings on the A/C should help pay for the cost of running the pump and 2 fans. Good Deal!

    When I replace the tap with distilled the temps should get better.

    First PC hooked up to the manifold:

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    This PC will have an open-case home soon:

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    I left extra tubing in order to not waste any more than necessary when I finished and located this PC's home:

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    Ambient outside right now is ~67F/19.4C. The Q9450 is still @ 3.4 running 100% on Boinc and temps are: 40, 39, 39, 39.
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    I'm curious to see what happens when I hook up the next PC.
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  11. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    As a comparison, here's the state of 2 PCs when I woke up today at ~9am:

    E8400 @ 4.0(dual core)
    P5E-VM HDMI
    Swifty 120.2 w/ 74cfm push/pull fans
    Apogee GT and MCW30
    MCP350
    Single bay res

    Ambient: A/C on 23.3C/74F, Thermometer reading 25.5C/78F
    43, 46C


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    Q9450 @ 3.4(quad core)
    GA-G31M-S2L
    Car Rad setup

    Ambient: PC weather says ~20C/68F
    39, 37, 38, 38C


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    Again, I'm really curious to see how things go when I hook up the next PC. Winter should be fun!
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    Also, these chips/mbs will be swapped out. The Q9450 and GA-G31M-S2L are both new to me, so I figured that I would check them out together before putting the PCs in their long-term setups.
     
  12. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    The PCs are currently setup the same cpu/mb-wise. I'll swap them around later. I wanted to keep them the same while I checked out adding the second pc to the system.
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    Here's a couple of screenshots--ambient temps outside are ~26C/79F, fans on high:



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  13. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    Another change that I may make is increasing the pipe size from the blue barrel down to the pump. Its 1" now, but I'm thinking of increasing it to 2" to act as somewhat of a pump reservior. The pump is getting plenty of flow, but it just seems like maybe it would benefit from more available water. However, in a closed loop, I cannot really sort out in my head whether or not there would actually be a benefit. Here's another pic from above:


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    Add 2" (or even 3") pvc after the ball valve/elbow down to the pump. Seems like more water would be available for the pump, but that water has to be replaced and it would be drawn through the 1" from the barrel. So, I am wondering if I can do as I'm thinking? Or, If I should replace everything with larger pipe completely--from the barrel to the pump? Hoping that makes sense!
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    Suppose to get up to 34C/93F today, so the real test will begin.......
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  14. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    Just a quick video to show the actual water flow via trapped air through the tubing on this setup. This setup still has 2 PCs hooked up and has been running fine. Temps are still maintaining as previously posted. Q9450 @ 3.45 and an E8400 @ 4.1.

    The setup does NOT run like it is shown in the video. The air is just to give a visual of the water flow. For some reason when I open gate valve #3--air starts traveling through the system. Gate valve #3 is just looped right back to the #3 output on the manifold--so I don't really understand why it does this, but it does....
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    Anyway, the flow in the video is actually reduced--because gate valve #3 is open--allowing a path of least resistance and all that. When I close gate valve #3--the flow to both PCs increases noticeably, so look at the video as less or reduced flow from what is normally going through the tubing:

    Its a 1 min video that shows flow through both PCs. Audio has NO valve:


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    Again, the system does not run with air--that's just to show the flow for the video....
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  15. Naja002

    Naja002 Guest

    Just wanted to add an update/more info.
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    I have 2 crunchers on this system: Q9450 @ 3.6 and Q9450 @ 3.5. I am waiting on some more ram and then I am hoping the 2nd Q will go to 3.6. This Ballistix garbage is just that: garbage.
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    Got the Killawatt out:

    Pump=55watts

    Fans:
    Low=25watts
    Medium=36-37 watts
    High=50watts

    That's x2, of course.

    Here's a current screenshot of the Q at 3.6--fans on Low=50watts:


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    The temps drop 3-4C by switching the fans up to Medium(=36-37watts x2).

    These rigs are crunching WCG 24/7 and 1 rig has an 8800GT crunching F@H. The 8800GT is not currently WCed. I bought a block, but it arrived cracked, so its on rma at the moment. Once I get a useable block--the GT is being added to this system.


    I've decided to modify my manifold and add a 2nd car radiator--a smaller one. This one will go inside here and be used during the cooler/winter months. I will deign the manifold so that I will only need to turn 1-3 ball valves (not sure yet) in order to switch from one rad to the other. This will give me convenient seasonal control: I can pump all the heat outside during warmer months (helping with the A/C) and pump all the heat inside during the cooler months (helping with the heat). :up: And I will be able to do this with the turn of a valve or 3.
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    Expected Cost Guesstimate:

    Car Rad: Less than $100 Shipped
    Pump: ~$100, if needed--I may figure out a work-around.
    PVC: $20, probably less
    Gate Valves x3: ~$27, should have already been incorporated.

    No doubt there will be some misc costs--nothing major though. I've put a little thought into this already, but have not sat down to think it through yet.
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    I really enjoy pumping all the heat outside!
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    Plus the dual fans on Low really help cool the out-building!
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    So, I might as well set things up to help with the heating bill this winter--instead of just heating the neighborhood!
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    Currently using about 500watts on these crunchers--might as well keep it inside when its cold out!
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    Also, by setting this up for convenience (turn some ball valves) I will still be able to play with it all winter and see how the low outside temps effect things!
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    I'll update this when I get it done--Yes, with Pictures!
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    Qiuck update:

    Added another cruncher, so now there are 2x Q9450 and 1x Q6600 on this WCing system--all @ 3.57. Fans on low. Weather has been much cooler than normal here. High of ~73F/23C yesterday and ~76F/24C today, So I am going to have to wait a bit for warmer weather in order to post "Warm-Weather SS". Here are some from Cooler Weather:

    Q9450:

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    Q9450:

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    Q6600:

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    The WBs arrive today, so I will be adding 3x G92 GPUs to the system over the next week or so, and then a 4th G92 GPU in a couple weeks or so.

    Picked up the 3x Gate Valves in order to isolate each setup from the system--just need to get them installed.

    Going to start working on the "Winter Rad" setup shortly.
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